Corporation data collection conversation - Revision history

David: /* Facial Recognition is related to tying people's identity online and offline. How do you see this relation? */ fixed minor spelling

2017-10-14T19:05:41Z

Facial Recognition is related to tying people's identity online and offline. How do you see this relation?: fixed minor spelling

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	:Kosinski: For an advertiser, facial recognition is a cheap way to judge sentiment, at a course ~~gain~~.		:Kosinski: For an advertiser, facial recognition is a cheap way to judge sentiment, at a course grain.

	:Soltani: There are hidden costs of facial recognition. That's identification at a distance, without your knowledge, and its a strong identifier (it works across age ranges, now, as well). You can't opt-out of facial recognition, and you can't control (very well) what can be inferred from your face, which is largely involuntary. The government was using information gathered by commercial entities. For example, a database of faces from yahoo's recorded videos.		:Soltani: There are hidden costs of facial recognition. That's identification at a distance, without your knowledge, and its a strong identifier (it works across age ranges, now, as well). You can't opt-out of facial recognition, and you can't control (very well) what can be inferred from your face, which is largely involuntary. The government was using information gathered by commercial entities. For example, a database of faces from yahoo's recorded videos.

David at 00:37, 17 June 2017

2017-06-17T00:37:23Z

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	:Kosinski: Data available with the rise of the internet drove new businesses.		:Kosinski: Data available with the rise of the internet drove new businesses.
	:Soltani: Data is like radiation.		:Soltani: Data is like radiation.

	====Comments====		====Comments====
	* ''Data as radiation sounds like [http://idlewords.com/talks/haunted_by_data.htm Maciej Ceglowski's metaphor] (also on the privacy group page)''		* ''Data as radiation sounds like [http://idlewords.com/talks/haunted_by_data.htm Maciej Ceglowski's metaphor] (also on the privacy group page)''
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	===Google's privacy policy was changed so that peoples' real names could be linked to the behavioral advertising data Google collects. What happened, and why does it matter?==		===Google's privacy policy was changed so that peoples' real names could be linked to the behavioral advertising data Google collects. What happened, and why does it matter?===

	:Soltani: FB has a real name policy, as they moved to advertising across the web, they showed that having a "strong identifier" was useful for targeting. Google hadn't used strong identifiers until recently, but now they do, like FB. This means that there is a bridge between your offline activities and your online activities. One consequence of this is that your ability to inhabit different social roles, and to keep them separated, is degraded. Who you are at work is no longer as separable from who you are at home as it had been, for example.		:Soltani: FB has a real name policy, as they moved to advertising across the web, they showed that having a "strong identifier" was useful for targeting. Google hadn't used strong identifiers until recently, but now they do, like FB. This means that there is a bridge between your offline activities and your online activities. One consequence of this is that your ability to inhabit different social roles, and to keep them separated, is degraded. Who you are at work is no longer as separable from who you are at home as it had been, for example.
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	* Kosinski's point about aggregate information is hard to understand here.		* Kosinski's point about aggregate information is hard to understand here.


			===Facial Recognition is related to tying people's identity online and offline. How do you see this relation?===

			:Kosinski: For an advertiser, facial recognition is a cheap way to judge sentiment, at a course gain.

			:Soltani: There are hidden costs of facial recognition. That's identification at a distance, without your knowledge, and its a strong identifier (it works across age ranges, now, as well). You can't opt-out of facial recognition, and you can't control (very well) what can be inferred from your face, which is largely involuntary. The government was using information gathered by commercial entities. For example, a database of faces from yahoo's recorded videos.

David: another 30 min

2017-06-16T18:05:24Z

another 30 min

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 * ''Data as radiation sounds like [http://idlewords.com/talks/haunted_by_data.htm Maciej Ceglowski's metaphor] (also on the privacy group page)''
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 * "Collection" [https://www.eff.org/nsa-spying/wordgames might be defined in various tortured ways.]
 * A good resource on U.S. laws and regulations is the book [https://www.informationprivacylaw.com/ Information Privacy]''.
 ===What are the privacy issues involved in advertising based on the emotional state of consumers===
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 * Kosinski works for Mediabricks.
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 * Consumers are susceptible to manipulation due to the information imbalance when ad targeting is not transparent. When people are not aware of why they are being targeted (for example, because you finished your jog and feeling a "winning" moment) they can make an emotional decision to buy. By contrast telling people why they are targeted makes their decision rational, which might block the "impulse buy." Moreover, transparency involves revealing how much is known about the target, which may be "too much" or may be a matter of competitive advantage which an advertiser wishes to keep a secret.

David: /* What are the privacy issues involved in advertising personalized based on the emotional state of consumers */

2017-02-15T21:02:08Z

What are the privacy issues involved in advertising personalized based on the emotional state of consumers

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	* A good resource on U.S. laws and regulations is the book [https://www.informationprivacylaw.com/ Information Privacy]''.		* A good resource on U.S. laws and regulations is the book [https://www.informationprivacylaw.com/ Information Privacy]''.

	===What are the privacy issues involved in advertising ~~personalized~~ based on the emotional state of consumers===		===What are the privacy issues involved in advertising based on the emotional state of consumers===
	:Kosinski: Mediabricks works to identify the emotional state of the consumer, so that other companies can choose which states the consumer should be in when their ads are served, in mobile apps. E.U. consumers are not served at all, due to privacy regulations.		:Kosinski: Mediabricks works to identify the emotional state of the consumer, so that other companies can choose which states the consumer should be in when their ads are served, in mobile apps. E.U. consumers are not served at all, due to privacy regulations.

David at 21:00, 15 February 2017

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	:Mulligan: Manipulation of a consumer by a marketer brings up consumer protection issues broadly. Some populations are vulnerable, and this kind of marketing might be exploitative. The built environment might be "like an experiment" in that exceptional kinds of information might be collected and used to sell. This might be "creepy."		:Mulligan: Manipulation of a consumer by a marketer brings up consumer protection issues broadly. Some populations are vulnerable, and this kind of marketing might be exploitative. The built environment might be "like an experiment" in that exceptional kinds of information might be collected and used to sell. This might be "creepy."

			:Kosinski: Advertising is self-regulated to avoid being "creepy:" The Internet Advertising Bureau (IAB) and the Digital Advertising Alliance (DAA) are two agencies. The company "can build anything" but has to "have a conscience."

	====Comments====		====Comments====
	* Kosinski works for Mediabricks.		* Kosinski works for Mediabricks.

	To be ~~continued~~...		===How should we be anonymous online?===
			:Soltani: There is an arms-race between the tracking technologies used companies who profit from targeted advertising and the privacy-enhancing technologies used by privacy-conscious users. Quantcast set supercookies on users who tried to delete their cookies to avoid being tracked. The DAA and the IAB (mentioned above) have incentives to overcome privacy-protections.

			:Soltani: Consumers now are at an informational disadvantage compared to companies that they engage with when choosing a product. Companies know a lot of things about consumers that consumers themselves do not know to be known. An example is offline enhancement, where offline data is combined with online behavioral data.

			:Soltani: "Sucker lists" were investigated by the FTC because they are vulnerable. When are consumers made aware that the ads shown by Mediabricks are shown because they are in a particular emotional state (like a "winning" or "rescued" moment)?

			:Soltani: More broadly, targeted advertising raises a question about what a pen-tester might call "vulnerability analysis:" much like software might be analyzed for vulnerabilities, are humans being targeted for vulnerabilities to sell them things?

			:Kosinski: The economics of apps given away for free demands targeted advertising. This is done in aggregate; it is never designed to "put someone at risk or in jeopardy."

			====Comments====
			* Consumers are susceptible to manipulation due to the information imbalance when ad targeting is not transparent. When people are not aware of why they are being targeted (for example, because you finished your jog and feeling a "winning" moment) they can make an emotional decision to buy. By contrast telling people why they are targeted makes their decision rational, which might block the "impulse buy." Moreover, transparency involves revealing how much is known about the target, which may be "too much" or may be a matter of competitive advantage which an advertiser wishes to keep a secret.

David at 18:46, 16 January 2017

2017-01-16T18:46:53Z

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	~~'''~~How has data use evolved as the internet has emerged?~~'''~~		===How has data use evolved as the internet has emerged?===

	Kosinski: Data available with the rise of the internet drove new businesses.		:Kosinski: Data available with the rise of the internet drove new businesses.
			:Soltani: Data is like radiation.
			====Comments====
			* ''Data as radiation sounds like [http://idlewords.com/talks/haunted_by_data.htm Maciej Ceglowski's metaphor] (also on the privacy group page)''

	~~Soltani: Data is like radiation.~~		===What about data collection by multinational companies, who may be subject to different regulations?===
	~~''This sounds like [http://idlewords.com/talks/haunted_by_data.htm Maciej Ceglowski's metaphor] (also on the privacy group page)''~~

			:Mulligan: Europe has omnibus protection, with Data Protection Authorities. U.S. does not; it has "piecemeal" laws at the state and federal levels. Most are on data use, but there are some for collection as well. The FCC has new rules limiting data use by companies.

	~~'''What about multinational~~ companies ~~collecting data subject~~ to privacy ~~regulation'''~~		:Mulligan: U.S. protections against government access for data stored by companies are stronger than E.U. countries.
			:Brandimarte: There used to be Safe Harbor allowing U.S. companies to serve customers in E.U., with privacy rights guaranteed.

	Mulligan: ~~Europe has omnibus protection, with Data Protection Authorities~~. U.S. ~~does not; it has~~ "~~piecemeal~~" ~~laws at the state and federal levels. Most are on data use, but there are some for collection as well. ''~~[https://www.eff.org/nsa-spying/wordgames ~~However "collection"~~ might be defined.] ~~Also, a~~ good resource on U.S. laws and regulations is the book [https://www.informationprivacylaw.com/ Information Privacy]''.		====Comments====
			* Safe Harbor Privacy Principles are [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Safe_Harbor_Privacy_Principles here].
			* ''The FCC rules from Oct 2017 that Mulligan mentions are [https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-adopts-broadband-consumer-privacy-rules here.]
			* "Collection" [https://www.eff.org/nsa-spying/wordgames might be defined in various tortured ways.]
			* A good resource on U.S. laws and regulations is the book [https://www.informationprivacylaw.com/ Information Privacy]''.

	...to be continued...		===What are the privacy issues involved in advertising personalized based on the emotional state of consumers===
			:Kosinski: Mediabricks works to identify the emotional state of the consumer, so that other companies can choose which states the consumer should be in when their ads are served, in mobile apps. E.U. consumers are not served at all, due to privacy regulations.

			:Mulligan: Manipulation of a consumer by a marketer brings up consumer protection issues broadly. Some populations are vulnerable, and this kind of marketing might be exploitative. The built environment might be "like an experiment" in that exceptional kinds of information might be collected and used to sell. This might be "creepy."

			====Comments====
			* Kosinski works for Mediabricks.

			To be continued...

David at 18:06, 16 January 2017

2017-01-16T18:06:32Z

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	'''What about multinational companies collecting data subject to privacy regulation'''		'''What about multinational companies collecting data subject to privacy regulation'''

	Mulligan: Europe has omnibus protection, with Data Protection Authorities. U.S. does not; it has "piecemeal" laws at the state and federal levels. Most are on data use, but there are some for collection as well. ''[https://www.eff.org/nsa-spying/wordgames However "collection" might be defined.]''		Mulligan: Europe has omnibus protection, with Data Protection Authorities. U.S. does not; it has "piecemeal" laws at the state and federal levels. Most are on data use, but there are some for collection as well. ''[https://www.eff.org/nsa-spying/wordgames However "collection" might be defined.] Also, a good resource on U.S. laws and regulations is the book [https://www.informationprivacylaw.com/ Information Privacy]''.

	...to be continued...		...to be continued...

David: initial comments

2017-01-05T20:29:24Z

initial comments

New page

Questions are bolded, responses are prepended with the name of the respondant, comments are italicized.

Moderated by [http://www.u.arizona.edu/~lbrandimarte/ Laura Brandimarte]. Panelists: Richard Kosinski (sorry, only link is to LinkedIn), [https://www.ischool.berkeley.edu/people/deirdre-mulligan Deirdre Mulligan], [https://ashkansoltani.org/ Ashkan Soltani]

 

'''How has data use evolved as the internet has emerged?'''

Kosinski: Data available with the rise of the internet drove new businesses.

Soltani: Data is like radiation.
''This sounds like [http://idlewords.com/talks/haunted_by_data.htm Maciej Ceglowski's metaphor] (also on the privacy group page)''

'''What about multinational companies collecting data subject to privacy regulation'''

Mulligan: Europe has omnibus protection, with Data Protection Authorities. U.S. does not; it has "piecemeal" laws at the state and federal levels. Most are on data use, but there are some for collection as well. ''[https://www.eff.org/nsa-spying/wordgames However "collection" might be defined.]''

...to be continued...